Posts Tagged ‘Marc Faber’

Marc Faber: correction coming

Monday, January 31st, 2011

In a recent interview (about a week ago), Marc Faber warned of a coming correction in asset prices. In this correction, he reckoned that emerging markets (e.g. China) will fall harder than the markets of the developed world (e.g. US, Europe).

As he elaborated further, for the past two years, the emerging markets and commodities were doing very well. In fact, so well that there’s talk that China’s economic/political model is superior to the model of the Western liberal democracies because it managed to dodge the GFC and thrived in the aftermath while the developed economies were going nowhere and being plagued by sovereign debt crisis.

However, Marc Faber reckoned that for the next few months, this trend can reverse for a change. The implication is that US Treasuries, US dollar may do very well, while US stocks may outperform emerging market stocks by falling less. So, the S&P500 may correct by say, 10% while Chinese stocks may correct by say, 20-30%.

For investors, it is easy to get lost in the minute details and lose sight of the forest for the trees. For one, it is clear to us that even though the massive money printing exercise of the Federal Reserve is not showing up in the US, price inflation is rearing its ugly head in the emerging economies. In other words, we believe that the US is exporting its price inflation to the emerging economies. This is because all nations are engaging in competitive devaluation of their currencies (to protect their exports in order to ‘stimulate’ their economies). However, since the US dollar is still the world’s reserve currency, the US is able to export the resulting price inflation to the emerging economies.

The price inflation had been growing for the past two years. At first, it seems benign and even seen as a badge of vindication for countries like China. And if you read our article, Turkeys fattened for slaughter in the Chi-tralia bubble, the growth and inflation is fueled by a massive credit bubble and monetary inflation. Since it is an axiom that all bubbles deflates/bursts eventually, there are speculation of when the bubble in the Chinese economy is going to burst.

Judging from the chatter in the blogsphere and mainstream news article, it seems that the spotlight is shifting towards the price inflation and asset price bubble in China. More and more articles like Crouching tiger, soaring cranes, rumbling doubts are telling us that there’re growing doubts on the Chinese economy. As we wrote 12 months ago in Chinese government cornered by inflation, bubbles & rich-poor gap,

But there will be a day when they have to tackle the inflation problem. As long as the inflation problem is not solved, there will be rising prices and bubbles in the asset markets.

Indeed, price inflation is turning into a serious problem in China. As Patrick Chovanec wrote,

China used to be cheap.? According to figures the World Bank uses to calculate Purchasing Power Parity (PPP), in 2003, a dollar?s worth of currency bought nearly five times as much in China as it did?the U.S.? A?bag of groceries,?or a hairdo, or a hotel room?that would have cost $50 in the U.S. cost only RMB?90, or roughly $11, in China.

Talk to anyone in China, though ? local or expatriate ? and they?ll tell you that, lately, things have been getting a lot more expensive.? When I went back to the U.S. a few months ago, I had the?strange sensation ? for the first time ? that a lot of things were actually cheaper there than in Beijing.

We are increasingly seeing signs that the Chinese government are taking more and more actions to attempt to control price inflation via administrative measures. But with money supply increasing 50% over the past two years, such measures are mere pin-pricks. The exploding supply of money is the root of China’s price inflation problem. And the reason why the money supply is exploding is the peg of the RMB towards the USD (see Why is China printing so much money?).

Unfortunately for the Chinese people, there are too many vested interests (e.g. corrupt officials, provincial governments, big businesses with links to government) in China who wants to keep the credit and asset price bubble going. Since asset price bubbles and price inflation are the symptoms of a common course (monetary inflation), the bias of the Chinese government (and for most governments in the world for that matter) is towards more inflation. Once the root cause of the price inflation is tackled, the asset price bubble will deflate/burst as well. With that, the massive wealth of many vested interests will deflate/disappear as well. Since we doubt those vested interests want that to happen, the price inflation problem will continue to rage in China.

Now, here comes a crucial point. As long as the masses in China believe that the government is working towards ‘solving’ the inflation problem, there are still hope. Indeed, a friend in China told us that her country (i.e. government) is “working its brains” to solve the inflation problem. Unfortunately, this is something that has yet to be dawned on her. As Patrick Chovanec wrote,

I find it incredibly ironic that the two hot populist issues among Chinese citizens these days are the high price of housing and U.S. pressure for a stronger RMB.? People are hot under the collar about both issues, but they never draw stop to think that China?s position on currency (maintaining a weak RMB) might be fueling inflation in the form of?rising housing and other living costs.? ?Of course, I don?t expect average citizens to draw the connection, but economists should.

However, the truth is this: the vested interests who control the government are NOT serious about solving the price inflation problem. The danger is that once the masses realise this, hyperinflation begins. As we quoted Ludwig von Mises in What is a crack-up boom?,

But then finally the masses wake up. They become suddenly aware of the fact that inflation is a deliberate policy and will go on endlessly. A breakdown occurs. The crack-up boom appears. Everybody is anxious to swap his money against ?real? goods, no matter whether he needs them or not, no matter how much money he has to pay for them. Within a very short time, within a few weeks or even days, the things which were used as money are no longer used as media of exchange. They become scrap paper. Nobody wants to give away anything against them.

So, as it becomes increasingly clear that the current trends in China is unsustainable, investors should watch the reaction of the Chinese government.

Do you think China will crash soon?

Thursday, August 5th, 2010

Today, we will be doing something a little different. Instead of us doing the talking, we will let you discuss and brainstorm this question.

A little background about this question. In many of the interviews with Marc Faber, he correctly predicted that China will slow down. Furthermore, he suggested that there’s a possibility that China may crash, though he stressed that he’s not predicting that it will happen. Interestingly, he mentioned about “loan-sharking” creating credit problems in China:

Well, I?m not sure. Because if [the Chinese government]? ease off again, the speculation [of property] will go on. But we have credit problems in the property market undoubtedly. We have Ponzi schemes like of loan sharking operations all over China. That?s a very dangerous, and so forth.

We find the word “loan sharking” very interesting. It seems to imply something about the Chinese credit market that is by definition, underground. That is where Black Swans lie.

On the other hand, one of our readers, Paul, who lives in Beijing, has different views about China (see Concerns about China?s slowdown):

It takes years to understand the Chinese psyche, and it’s virtually impossible to get even close from outside the country. Yes, there’s a correction going on, but it’s controlled at the core. Outcomes and reactions will of course be wild and woolly, such as the steel production slowdown.

As for ghost cities, well of course, if you don’t understand how the chinese work, you will think they are ghost cities. But that’s how they do things here – they build the whole damn thing, then move the people in. As I said, you have to understand the Chinese way of thinking.

Put this in your diary. The restrictions will last until November. By December this year, production of key items such as steel and cement will be returning to full pelt.

So, do you think China will crash soon? Please vote below and feel free to contribute your opinions.

Interview with Marc Faber (inflationist) and Michael Shedlock (deflationist)

Wednesday, August 4th, 2010

A few months ago, we found this interview with Marc Faber and Michael Shedlock (aka “Mish”). Faber once said in an interview that he was “100% sure” that the US will fall into hyperinflation. Mish, on the other hand, is a very staunch deflationist (see Are deflationists missing the elephant in the room? Or are they believing in something more sinister?).

What if you put the two together in an interview? Will they clash? Surprisingly not, as you can see…

In particular, pay attention to what Mish said in the final moments of this video.

The takeaway lesson is this: the unfolding train wreck will be something the world has never seen before (as one of our reader, DavidL said). Whatever ‘flation it is, it would not follow the script of the past.

Prepare to pull the trigger on speculating!

Thursday, July 29th, 2010

Back in When to start speculating again?, we mentioned that

When governments do ?something? about the deflationary pain, it will be a signal to shuffle your money back into speculation.

So, what will be the signs to watch out for?

Just a month ago, RBS warned their clients to get read for this:

Andrew Roberts, credit chief at RBS, is advising clients to read the Bernanke text very closely because the Fed is soon going to have to the pull the lever on “monster” quantitative easing (QE)”.

Marc Faber reckoned that it will happen soon and has given a rough time-frame…

When the money spigot turns on again, that’s the sign to start speculating again (note: speculate at your own risk). For those who are new, please read Bernankeism and hyper-inflation to understand the context of this article.

Concerns about China’s slowdown

Thursday, July 22nd, 2010

Back in April, when economic ?experts? were expecting further growth in the Chinese economy, we wrote in this article that

Contrarian investors like Marc Faber believes that the Chinese economy will ?slow down regardless? any time from now on. Whether this slowdown will be a nice soft-landing or a gut-wrenching crash is another matter.

Marc Faber was on record for saying that there?s a possibility that China may ?even crash.? How could the pundits missed the signs that something is really wrong with the Chinese growth in 2009? As we wrote back then, there were plenty of signs:

? there are massive excess productive capacities in the Chinese economy. As we wrote in Is China going to dump their excess metal stockpiles?, there are eye-witnesses? reports of ghost cities, vacant office blocks and apartments in China. It had been reported that China?s excess capacity for steel and cement production is around the current capacity of United States, Japan and India combined. All these points to a massive mis-allocation of resources in China, which according to the Austrian School of economic thought, a pre-cursor to a bust (see our free report, What causes economic booms and busts?).

That?s why, as we wrote in Chinese government cornered by inflation, bubbles & rich-poor gap, the Chinese government will have to rein in their runaway economy sooner or later (e.g. through administrative means, revaluation of the yuan). The longer they delay, the bigger the inevitable bust will be.

Today, the financial markets are finally noticing that China is slowing down more than expected. For example,

  1. Rate of decline for Chinese industrial production is more than expected.
  2. And if Chinese government statistics can be believed, even the inflation numbers were below expectation.
  3. Spot iron ore prices have been in free-fall since May.
  4. Steel production has now fallen to its lowest rate of growth since 2001.
  5. The Baltic Dry Index has lost more than 50% in one month.

Back in January, when we wrote Chinese government cornered by inflation, bubbles & rich-poor gap, we were wondering when the Chinese government will bite the bullet and rein in the runaway economy. We didn?t have to wait long to see it happening.

The question that the pundits and the financial markets will be wondering is this: will this unexpected rate of slowdown continue for rest of the year? Will it continue on to 2011? If they get it wrong (again), it goes to show that they have underestimated the resolve of the Chinese government to cool down the economy.

The risk is that the Chinese government may accidentally let the slowdown turn into a crash. We shall see.

Marc Faber: Short the AUD

Wednesday, June 16th, 2010

In case you’ve missed it, this is what Marc Faber said in a recent interview:

And as a special tip, I think I would short the Australian dollar, because talking about a housing bubble, Australia has 10 times a bigger bubble than China. In Australia you have what you said we don?t really have in China, namely the low leverage that we have in China, we have the opposite in Australia, very high household leverage. ? So I think a big downfall is about to happen.

The worst case scenario would be a falling AUD in the context of a currency crisis. Our favourite hedge against this will be in gold (see our book, How to buy and invest in physical gold and silver bullion).

Planning ahead for what’s going to happen

Sunday, June 6th, 2010

How to buy and invest in physical gold and silver bullion

In our previous article, one of our readers asked,

With either a recession on the way or increased government spending and its effects in the economy, what does everyone think are some ways/ideas for investors to plan ahead for both scenarios?

This is a very hard question to answer because every investor’s situation, outlook and opinions are different. There’s no one-size-fit-all answer. But we hope this article will set you thinking about planning ahead for yourself…

In today’s highly volatile and unpredictable economic climate, it is increasingly difficult to forecast what will happen in the future. So, in that sense, it is increasingly difficult to plan ahead. As we wrote in October 2008 at Real economy suffers while financial markets stuff around with prices,

Right now, deflationary forces are acting on the economy while at the same time, central bankers and governments are attempting to inflate. Consequently, the result is extreme volatility in prices. Volatile prices hinder business calculations, which in turn hinders long-term planning.

With long-term planning made much more difficult, how is it possible to engage in investments that allows the nation to continue to accumulate capital goods? Without the ongoing accumulation of capital goods and too much monetary capital wasted on either hoarding, bailing out bad investments and patching a dysfunctional financial system, there wouldn?t be a proper and efficient allocation of monetary capital. The economy will be engaging on capital consumption. If a nation starts to consume its capital, how can there be real economic growth. Without real economic growth, how can future generations enjoy a more plentiful and prosperous existence?

The governments’ inflationary policies are intervening heavily to fight against the free market’s deflationary forces. The results are volatile prices and unforeseen side-effects (i.e. Black Swans). Recently, Marc Faber made a very good point:

It is no longer sufficient to analyze macroeconomic and microeconomic trends and individual companies and sectors; we now increasingly need the help of a political analyst who can warn us of what governments? next regulatory ?Schnapsideen? (ideas developed while heavily intoxicated) are likely to be.

Professor Steve Keen is a very good example of someone who fell victim to the government’s ?Schnapsideen.’ His call for deflation in Australia was shredded by Rudd government’s First Home Buyers Grant (FHOG), which resulted in him having to walk a long trek for a lost bet. Unfortunately for him, his economic analysis (which is sounder than the mainstream, vested-interest-tainted neoclassical economics), is discredited because of that. This is to Australia’s great loss because by re-leveraging the Australian economy (i.e. ignoring debt dynamics), the economic margin of safety is arguably thinner today than before the GFC.

Another example is the Rudd Government’s infamous RSPT (see Why Rudd?s mining super-profit tax will encourage more commodity speculation), which threw a spanner into the works of many mining investment plans.

This kind of environment is not conducive for long-term planning of great enterprises. For investors, that means some of your investments today will be affected tomorrow by a bureaucrat’s decision. Instead, such environment favours those (in the short term) who are nimble and fast at shuffling money across asset classes and national borders. It encourages hoarding and speculations. As we wrote in Harmful effects of inflation,

With inflation, there is less incentive to be productive and more incentive to hoard, speculate and gamble. This in turn will reduce productivity and increase price inflation, which further increase the incentive to be less productive.

For investors who are more conservative, it means spreading your eggs into more baskets. For example, if you want to hedge yourself against a potential AUD currency crisis (see Serious vulnerability in the Australian banking system), it may mean diversifying your wealth from AUD into foreign currencies and physical gold (see How to buy and invest in physical gold and silver bullion). For those who are concerned that the world may perhaps end up in hell, they may want to prepare themselves by learning more self-sufficiency skills, accumulating equipment and for those who are well-off, buy a farm in the rural area.

Yet, as we wrote in If we are going to be doomed, why don?t we head for the cave and stop investing?, it does not mean we should stop investing right this minute. Even if you believe we will all be doomed, there will still be investment opportunities in the meantime. For those who are less conservative, it may mean investing in sound companies (with your eyes and ears open) or making some speculative bets.

The point of today’s article is not that we should all throw long-term planning out of the window and eat, drink, be merry and bugger all the consequences. Instead, our point is that investors today have to be alert and be prepared to act in a moment’s notice and not be locked into any particular set of investment/trading ideology. Creative thinking and flexible mental model is very important to survive in today’s economic/political climate.

How will the market perform from now on?

Thursday, May 27th, 2010

This is what Marc Faber thinks:

Note the last part of the interview- currencies are on the race to the bottom.

How to buy and invest in physical gold and silver bullion


If we are going to be doomed, why don’t we head for the cave and stop investing?

Wednesday, May 19th, 2010

As we all know, Marc Faber is an ultra-bear, as you can see from this clip below:

You may ask: if we’re going to be doomed, why don’t we pack our guns and canned food and head towards the hilly caves RIGHT NOW. Or should we just ignore the doomers crackpots? Here, Michael Yoshikami, in a debate with Marc Faber, offers this piece of insight (which Marc Faber concurs):

Marc Faber: Beware of investing in Australia (as it follows the Chinese business cycle)

Monday, April 26th, 2010

Currently, economists in major institution in Australia are still forecasting growth in the Chinese economy. Even the Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) are pencilling in further boost of the Australian economy because they expect continuing growth of Chinese demand for Australia’s commodities. With such rosy forecasts, the mainstream pundits believe that Australia’s economy will continue to power ahead, which will result in further “skills shortages,” inflation, and for the property spruikers, further growth in property prices. This is the reason why the RBA had the guts to raise interest rates.

But as contrarian investors, this should be the time for you to be more careful. As we warned our readers a few months ago in Hazard ahead for Australia- interim crash in China,

Therefore, investors should understand this basic principle: because of the leverage that Australia is exposed to China, any slowdown in China will have a leveraged effect on Australia.

In other words, the ups and downs of the Australian economy follow the business cycle of China. And yes, the business cycle still exists in China. As we wrote in Will the China boom go in a straight line?,

Put it simply, we do not believe that the rise of China will take on the path of a straight line. Instead, there will be ups and downs, booms and bust and progress and setbacks. Anytime when the path does not look like a straight line upwards and take a temporary dive, the market will flip to the other extreme of this story and project extreme pessimism into the indefinite future. In other words, the market always looks at one side of the boom and completely ignores the flip side.

Contrarian investors like Marc Faber believes that the Chinese economy will “slow down regardless” any time from now on. Whether this slowdown will be a nice soft-landing or a gut-wrenching crash is another matter. This will have implications on the Australian economy, currency, stocks and property market. Make no mistake, this is what he said in an interview:

Mind you, there are massive excess productive capacities in the Chinese economy. As we wrote in Is China going to dump their excess metal stockpiles?, there are eye-witnesses’ reports of ghost cities, vacant office blocks and apartments in China. It had been reported that China’s excess capacity for steel and cement production is around the current capacity of United States, Japan and India combined. All these points to a massive mis-allocation of resources in China, which according to the Austrian School of economic thought, a pre-cursor to a bust (see our free report, What causes economic booms and busts?).

That’s why, as we wrote in Chinese government cornered by inflation, bubbles & rich-poor gap, the Chinese government will have to rein in their runaway economy sooner or later (e.g. through administrative means, revaluation of the yuan). The longer they delay, the bigger the inevitable bust will be.

A voluntary reining in of the runaway economy will definitely result in a smaller bust today (the alternative will be an involuntary and bigger bust tomorrow). That’s where the problem lies- the Chinese government lacks credibility in its will to cool down the economy. Within the circles of the Chinese property speculators, there’s an assumption that the Chinese government lack the guts to induce deflation in property prices (which will have negative effects on the rest of the economy). The reason is because once the deflation forces take hold, it will be very difficult to reverse. The same applies to the Australian government. The assumption is that at the end of the day, the government (whether it’s the Chinese or the Australian government) will indulge in moral hazards (e.g. bail out, print money, etc).

But dear readers, make absolutely no mistake about this: even if the government succeeds in avoiding a big bust today at all costs, this very success will result in more severe unintended side-effects and Black Swans. In Australia’s case, it will be a currency crisis (see Will there be an AUD currency crisis?) and/or social breakdown (because a policy of inflation is inherently unfair and widen the rich-poor gap). In China’s case, it will be complete social collapse, which is not uncommon for those who are familiar with China’s long history. Over thousands of years, China endured endless repeated cycles of corruption, dynastic collapse, followed by renewal through the birth of a new dynasty.

Hence, we will not be able to offer our readers the exact time-frame and predictions of what will happen next. No one can. But this is what you can do: be flexible and watch out for the signs and prepare the drills to be activated. So, bear this in mind: the moment the financial markets believe that the Chinese government’s talk about cooling its economy will be real concrete action, things will happen very fast.